From	Phil Jones	Date	Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:49:22 +0000
To	ray bradley, Malcolm K. Hughes, Scott Rutherford, Michael E. Mann, Tom Crowley
CC	Keith Briffa, Jonathan T. Overpeck, Edward R. Cook, Keith Alverson
Subject	Fwd: Soon & Baliunas
Dear All, Apologies for sending this again. I was expecting a stack of emails this morning in response, but I inadvertently left Mike off (mistake in pasting) and picked up Tom's old address. Tom is busy though with another offspring ! I looked briefly at the paper last night and it is appalling - worst word I can think of today without the mood pepper appearing on the email ! I'll have time to read more at the weekend as I'm coming to the US for the DoE CCPP meeting at Charleston. Added Ed, Peck and Keith A. onto this list as well. I would like to have time to rise to the bait, but I have so much else on at the moment. As a few of us will be at the EGS/AGU meet in Nice, we should consider what to do there. The phrasing of the questions at the start of the paper determine the answer they get. They have no idea what multiproxy averaging does. By their logic, I could argue 1998 wasn't the warmest year globally, because it wasn't the warmest everywhere. With their LIA being 1300- 1900 and their MWP 800-1300, there appears (at my quick first reading) no discussion of synchroneity of the cool/warm periods. Even with the instrumental record, the early and late 20th century warming periods are only significant locally at between 10-20% of grid boxes. Writing this I am becoming more convinced we should do something - even if this is just to state once and for all what we mean by the LIA and MWP. I think the skeptics will use this paper to their own ends and it will set paleo back a number of years if it goes unchallenged. I will be emailing the journal to tell them I'm having nothing more to do with it until they rid themselves of this troublesome editor. A CRU person is on the editorial board, but papers get dealt with by the editor assigned by Hans von Storch. Cheers Phil Dear all, Tim Osborn has just come across this. Best to ignore probably, so don't let it spoil your day. I've not looked at it yet. It results from this journal having a number of editors. The responsible one for this is a well-known skeptic in NZ. He has let a few papers through by Michaels and Gray in the past. I've had words with Hans von Storch about this, but got nowhere. Another thing to discuss in Nice ! Cheers Phil >X-Sender: f055@pop.uea.ac.uk >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 >Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:32:14 +0000 >To: p.jones@uea >From: Tim Osborn >Subject: Soon & Baliunas > > > > >Dr Timothy J Osborn | phone: +44 1603 592089 >Senior Research Associate | fax: +44 1603 507784 >Climatic Research Unit | e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk >School of Environmental Sciences | web-site: >University of East Anglia __________| http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ >Norwich NR4 7TJ | sunclock: >UK | http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Soon & Baliunas 20031.pdf"