From	Michael E. Mann	Date	Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:01:50 -0400
To	Tim Osborn, Tom Wigley
CC	Keith Briffa, Phil Jones, ray bradley, Michael E. Mann
Subject	Re: bradley comment
Tim, I suggest we let Eos size the figures, etc. Then, in the end, we can simply substitute a version of Figure 2 w/ the correlations added at the proof stage. Anything else will slow down the publication of the manuscript unnecessarily, in my opinion. Phil and I have already discussed--we agree that the low weight given to the record in the Mann and Jones composite treats the record appropriately... mike At 02:37 PM 6/24/2003 +0100, Tim Osborn wrote: Hi Tom, In Phil's absence I was just now looked at his PC because I needed some files/emails for a separate matter, and I noticed that you had emailed Phil/Ray/Mike concurring with Ray's concerns. Until I saw that, I hadn't realised that anyone else had commented on Yang et al. Keith and I discussed exactly this issue this morning, and though Keith also had concerns about the record (I haven't read their paper, so can't comment) we decided to leave things as they were because: (i) Mike suggested adding correlations to the figure at the proof stage rather than now; (ii) I wasn't sure how to word a caveat about Yang et al. without making it seem odd that we were including a doubtful record and odd that we hadn't added caveats about some of the other records. The current status is that the version I circulated has been submitted back to EOS (because of the reasons given above), and Ellen Mosley-Thompson has approved it. It needs to be reviewed internally at AGU by either Fred Spilhaus or an Associate Editor. It will then be edited to reflect the Eos newspaper style. I've cc'd this to Mike and Phil to see what they want to do. I/we can put a hold on the processing of the current submission and then submit a new version with revised figure and caption. Alternatively we could wait and see what it's like after EOS have edited it, and then make any final modifications at that stage. Over to you/Mike/Phil. Cheers Tim At 14:00 24/06/2003, you wrote: Tim, I think it is *extremely* important to cover Ray's point about Yang et al. and Mike Mann's response about weighting. This requires a small addition to the Figure caption. Tom. Dr Timothy J Osborn Climatic Research Unit School of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia Norwich NR4 7TJ, UK e-mail: t.osborn@uea.ac.uk phone: +44 1603 592089 fax: +44 1603 507784 web: [1]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ sunclock: [2]http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm ______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@virginia.edu Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) 982-2137 [3]http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml References 1. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/ 2. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~timo/sunclock.htm 3. http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml