| From | Jonathan T. Overpeck | Date | Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:17:44 -0700 |
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| To | Martin Manning | ||
| CC | Keith Briffa, Tim Osborn, Eystein Jansen, Øyvind Paasche, Bette Otto-Bleisner, Melinda Marquis, Kristen Averyt, Susan Solomon | ||
| Subject | SUPER URGENT IPCC help needed | ||
| Sounds good Martin. Keith, Tim - are you out there? Please help by ensuring we're doing the right thing w Fig 6.13 and table 6.2 Hi Peck Thanks for the provisional "go ahead" - we can (and so will) wait till Monday before changing the master copy of the chapter here. Regards Martin At 11:16 AM 3/23/2006, Jonathan Overpeck wrote: Hi Martin - this seems ok to me. I hope we hear from Tim and Keith - they are the key folks on this one. If we don't hear from them, then we go with what you have done. Seems quite reasonable to me, and I'm sorry we caused the TSU this extra work. Thanks again, Peck X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:11:36 -0700 To: Jonathan Overpeck Keith Briffa Eystein Jansen Bette Otto-Bleisner Melinda Marquis From: Martin Manning Subject: Re: SUPER URGENT IPCC help needed Cc: ssolomon@al.noaa.gov, averyt@ucar.edu Dear Jonathan Thanks for trying to sort this out quickly for us and for the information that the Ammann et al paper is not available. Susan and I have discussed your two options and have to say that we can not agree to option 1 in the circumstances. Although the Jones and Mann (2004) paper shows the NCAR simulation, the key point is that it cites it as "C. Ammann et al private communication 2003". So in effect option 1 would be bringing in material that was not peer reviewed and not even separately documented. Anyone wanting to discredit your chapter would highlight the fact that you appear to be depending on work done in 2003 that had still not been peer-reviewed. Option 2 is the only way to meet the standard that we have set all along of basing the assessment very firmly on peer reviewed literature. Kristen Averyt found that she could edit the EPS files that you had sent us earlier for Fig 6.13 and take out the curves in question labelled AJS2006. The result is attached. If you can confirm that this edited figure looks correct we are now proposing to drop that into your chapter in place of the original one. We would also remove the [S4] row in Table 6.2 referring to this study. We would also of course use the edited version of the figure in the TS (Fig TS-26 in current draft). If you can see any other implications of this approach to resolving the problem that we need to be aware of please let me know. If the author team wants to provide a redrawn figure that might be an improvement on the attached version we can still wait until Monday morning for that. Best regards Martin At 04:25 PM 3/22/2006, Jonathan Overpeck wrote: Hi Keith and Tim - need FAST help. Figure 6.13, and Table 6.2 cite Amman et al., for the CSM curve. Since this paper doesn't yet exist in "in press" form (I checked w/ Bette, who is a co-author), we have two choices. I think choice one below could be ok, but want to have confirmation from Keith or Tim, and it it's not ok, (NOTE) Tim and Keith need to get new Fig and Table to Melinda and Martin at the TSU by Monday. Option 1: we can cite Jones, P.D., and M.E. Mann, 2004: Climate over past millennia. Reviews of Geophysics, 42(2) - this paper (already in references - there is hope!) has the CSM simulation in its Fig 8, but of course it's not the idea original reference describing the simulation. Option 2: we (Tim) creates new fig 6.13, and Table 6.2 without any reference to this simulation. PLEASE NOTE - if Keith and Tim (or Martin) feels we must go w/ option 2, Tim has to send the new fig and table to TSU (Melinda Marguis and Martin) by Monday AM at the absolute latest. Thanks for your quick help, Peck -- Jonathan T. Overpeck Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth Professor, Department of Geosciences Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences Mail and Fedex Address: Institute for the Study of Planet Earth 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 fax: +1 520 792-8795 http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ -- Recommended Email address: mmanning@al.noaa.gov ** Please note that problems may occur with my @noaa.gov address Dr Martin R Manning, Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Phone: +1 303 497 4479 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8 Fax: +1 303 497 5628 Boulder, CO 80305, USA -- Jonathan T. Overpeck Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth Professor, Department of Geosciences Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences Mail and Fedex Address: Institute for the Study of Planet Earth 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 fax: +1 520 792-8795 http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ -- Recommended Email address: mmanning@al.noaa.gov ** Please note that problems may occur with my @noaa.gov address Dr Martin R Manning, Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Phone: +1 303 497 4479 325 Broadway, DSRC R/AL8 Fax: +1 303 497 5628 Boulder, CO 80305, USA -- Jonathan T. Overpeck Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth Professor, Department of Geosciences Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences Mail and Fedex Address: Institute for the Study of Planet Earth 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 fax: +1 520 792-8795 http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ | |||