From	Eugene R	Date	Mon, 22 May 2006 19:05:53 -0400
To	Martin Manning, Jonathan T. Overpeck, Caspar Ammann
CC	Bette Otto-Bleisner, Eystein Jansen, Tim Osborn, Keith Briffa
Subject	RE: Wahl & Amman paper -- NCAR pdf is correct version
Hello all: Yes, Martin, the paper you sent today is indeed an old version, and should be replaced by the NCAR pdf version. This old version sent today is actually older than the Feb 21 version I mentioned yesterday (see below), and has no relevance in terms of the text that is accepted/in press with Climatic Change as of February 28, 2006. As I mentioned yesterday (see below), the text of the UCAR pdf is identical to the WORD version I sent to Peck, Keith, and Eyestein on February 24. Peace, Gene ******************************* Dr. Eugene R. Wahl Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies Alfred University ___________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Wahl, Eugene R Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:49 PM To: Wahl, Eugene R Subject: Sent by Martin Manning -- Wahl & Amman paper --with old version ___________________________________________________________________________________________ From: Martin Manning [mailto:mmanning@al.noaa.gov] Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 12:19 PM To: Jonathan Overpeck; Caspar Ammann Cc: Bette Otto-Bleisner; Eystein Jansen; Wahl, Eugene R; t.osborn@uea.ac.uk; Keith Briffa Subject: Re: Wahl & Amman paper Dear Peck et al Thanks for clearing this up. The bottom line is that the version of this paper on the UCAR site is fine. Unfortunately though, the one we have on the IPCC WG1 web site is not! I am attaching a copy of that for clarity. The metadata in this PDF file indicate that it was created by Oyvind Paasche from a Word document in early March when we were asking the chapter teams to provide copies of the unpublished literature. It seems that Oyvind worked from an earlier and significantly shorter version - less text, fewer tables and the figures are different - as you can see in the attached. Although to repeat my earlier statement the conclusions of this earlier draft do not appear to me to be substantially different. Based on what we now know, the TSU should add the NCAR version of the paper to our review web site and we will do that today. Thanks Martin At 07:58 AM 5/22/2006, Jonathan Overpeck wrote: Thanks all who have commented. Below is the likely final word unless Martin needs more clarification. Seem ok, Martin? Sorry for the confusion. Guess some reviewers are running out of substantive issues, so that might be a sign that we're getting close to the final draft... Best, Peck >From Caspar: Dear all, yes the UCAR version can be considered the "official" one. I changed the order of pages because I needed to separate the "primary content" of the paper from its "supplement"; thus I moved tables xS, figure 1S and its caption to the end. Everything else is identical. >From Keith: "the differences are as I understand , insubstantial and not pertinent to the interpretation used in preparing the draft." and Gene: Wahl, Eugene R wrote: Hello Peck, Martin, Bette, Eystein, Caspar: I just double checked the UCAR website version with the pdf version I have, and they are identical with the exception that the supplemental tables (Tables 1S and 2S), and supplemental figure caption and figure (Figure 1S) are placed at the very end of the document in the UCAR version. The content is identical in both versions. The text (including tables and figure captions) of the UCAR pdf is also identical to the WORD text that I sent to Peck, Keith Briffa, and Eyestein Jansen on February 24. There was a version sent on February 21, which the February 24 version superceded. There were 3 words changed on p. 17, and some changes made to Appendix 1 in the February 24 version. Perhaps this difference between the 2/21 and 2/24 versions is the cause of the differences that Martin has seen. [Note: I would have sent the graphics separately with these versions, and I did not keep copies of the sent files in my email account -- to deal with memory limits in the system here. Thus, I cannot confirm exactly which graphic files are associated with the February 24 version. My apologies.] In summary, the UCAR website pdf document should be considered the official one that is "accepted/in press". Formal notification of acceptance from Stephen Schneider at Climatic Change came on February 28. The article is still in this status. Let me know if I can help clarify things futher. Please note that I will be in Boulder starting May 27, to be a visiting scholar at NCAR for a month. I will be keeping up with email from there. Peace, Gene Dr. Eugene R. Wahl Asst. Professor of Environmental Studies Alfred University 607-871-2604 1 Saxon Drive Alfred, NY 14802 ________________________________ From: Jonathan Overpeck [[1] mailto:jto@u.arizona.edu] Sent: Sat 5/20/2006 8:39 PM To: Martin Manning Cc: Bette Otto-Bleisner; Eystein Jansen; Caspar Ammann; Wahl, Eugene R Subject: Re: Wahl & Amman paper Hi Martin - We'll look into this asap. I'll cc to Caspar and Gene to see if they can clarify the situation and make sure we have the correct version. I'll also cc Bette since she may see Caspar around NCAR and make sure he know's we are trying to clarify things with his paper. More soon, thx, Peck Dear Eystein and Jonathan It has been pointed out to us by a reviewer that the version of the Wahl and Amman paper (accepted by Climatic Change) on our review web site differs from the version that is available publicly from the NCAR web site at: [ [2]http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/WahlAmmann_ClimaticChange_inPress.pdf <[3]http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/WahlAmmann_ClimaticChange_inPress.pd f> ] Although the differences are not (in my view) substantial, the paper on the NCAR web site is apparently dated Feb 24th (i.e. before the date of final submission of the SOD), it has additional figures and data, and the running header says "Feb 24, .... in press". Could you please clarify which of the two versions of this paper would reflect most accurately the status of the paper as used by the Chapter 6 team when preparing the SOD. That has been our basis for deciding on which version to include on our reviewer web pages up until now, but we are now reconsidering whether to also include updated versions of unpublished papers as well. If you have any thoughts on that please let me know. Best regards Martin -- Recommended Email address: mmanning@al.noaa.gov ** Please note that problems may occur with my @noaa.gov address Dr Martin R Manning, Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Phone: +1 303 497 4479 325 Broadway, DSRC R/CSD8 Fax: +1 303 497 5628 Boulder, CO 80305, USA -- Caspar M. Ammann National Center for Atmospheric Research Climate and Global Dynamics Division - Paleoclimatology 1850 Table Mesa Drive Boulder, CO 80307-3000 email: ammann@ucar.edu tel: 303-497-1705 fax: 303-497-1348 -- Jonathan T. Overpeck Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth Professor, Department of Geosciences Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences Mail and Fedex Address: Institute for the Study of Planet Earth 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 direct tel: +1 520 622-9065 fax: +1 520 792-8795 [4]http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ [5]http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ -- Recommended Email address: mmanning@al.noaa.gov ** Please note that problems may occur with my @noaa.gov address Dr Martin R Manning, Director, IPCC WG I Support Unit NOAA Aeronomy Laboratory Phone: +1 303 497 4479 325 Broadway, DSRC R/CSD8 Fax: +1 303 497 5628 Boulder, CO 80305, USA References 1. mailto:jto@u.arizona.edu 2. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/WahlAmmann_ClimaticChange_inPress.pdf 3. http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/WahlAmmann_ClimaticChange_inPress.pdf 4. http://www.geo.arizona.edu/ 5. http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/