thanks Phil--yes, that's perfect. I just wanted to have some idea of the paper, that's more than enough info. I wouldn't bother worrying about scanning in, etc. I should have a draft letter for you to comment on within a few days or so, after I return from Trieste, talk to you later, mike [1]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:
Mike, Thanks.
The 1980/1981 papers. I don't have the pdfs.
1980: This paper looked (spatially) at temperatures and precipitation for the 5 warmest years during the 20th century and the 5 coldest. We then differenced these to produce what might happen. We expanded this in a DoE Tech Report to look at the warmest/coldest 20-year periods. This latter effort didn't make much difference.
1981: This looked at statistics of annual/winter/summer Temperatures for the NH and zones of the NH to see what signals might you be able to detect. SNR problem really. Showed that best place to detect was NH annual and also Tropics in summer. Last place to look was the Arctic because variability was so high.
I did look a while ago to see if Nature had back scanned these papers, but they hadn't.
Is the above enough? I have hard copies of these two papers - in Norwich
Cheers Phil
Hi Phil,
thanks---yes, revised bibliography looks great.
I'll can send you a copy of my nominating letter for comment/suggestions when done.
also--can you provide one or two sentences about the '80 and '81 Nature articles w/ Wigley so that I might be able to work this briefly into the narrative of my letter?
thanks,
mike
[2]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote:
Mike. Will this do? Have added in a section on D&A. You didn't send the narrative. Will I have to alter that?
Hope to get out of AVL at 5pm tonight - thunderstorms permitting.
Cheers Phil
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HI Phil,
OK--thanks, I'll just go w/ the H=62. That is an impressive number and almost certainly higher than the vast majority of AGU Fellows.
I've attached the 2 page bibliography. I think it would be good to add some some of the more prominent D&A type papers, especially those early ones because they seem to be ahead of their time, and it is a high profile topic (more so than hydrology!). but its your call.
Enjoy Asheville--say hi to Tom for me.
talk to you later,
mike
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cite=[5]"mid:1079.87.113.67.115.1212941466.squirrel@webmail.uea.ac.uk" type="cite"> Mike, Off to the US tomorrow for 1.5 days in Asheville.
On 1, this is what people call the H index. I've tried working this out and there is software for it on the web of science.
Problem is my surname. I get a number of 62 if I just use the software, but I have too many papers. I then waded through and deleted those in journals I'd never heard of and got 52. I think this got rid of some biologist from the 1970s/1980s, so go with 52.
I don't have pdfs of the early papers. I won't be able to do anything for a few days either. When do you want this in, by the way? Can you email me the piece I wrote for you, as I don't have this on my lap top. I can then pick it up tomorrow at some airport.
The D&A work has always been with others. There is another area on hydrology that I omitted as well.
Keith's daughter is OK. She had the operation last Tuesday. He should be over in Birmingham this weekend.
Cheers Phil
Hi Phil,
I'm continuing to work on your nomination package (here in my hotel room in Trieste--the weather isn't any good!). If its possible for a case to be too strong, we may have that here! Lonnie is also confirmed as supporting letter writer, along w/ Kevin, Ben, Tom K, and Jean J. (4 of the 5 are already AGU fellows, which I'm told is important! Surprisingly, Ben is not yet, nor am I. But David Thompson is (quite young for one of these). I'm guessing Mike Wallace and Susan Solomon might have had something to do w/ that ;)
Anyway, I wanted to check w/ you on two things:
1. One thing that people sometimes like to know is the maximum value of "N" where "N" is the number of papers an individual authored/co-authored that have more than N citations. N=40 (i.e., an individual has published at least 40 papers that have each been cited at least 40 times) is supposedly an important threshold for admission in the U.S. National Academy of Sciences. I'm guessing your N is significantly greater than that, and it would be nice to cite that if possible. Would you mind figuring out that number and sending--I think it would be useful is really sealing the case.
2. Would you mind considering a minor revision of your 2 page bibliography. In my nomination letter, I'm trying to underscore the diverse areas where you've made major contributions, and I think its well known and obvious to many that two of these are instrumental data and paleoclimate reconstructions. But it occurs to me that it is equally important to stress your work in detection of anthropogenic impacts on climate w/ both models and observations. For example, your early Nature papers w/ Wigley. in '80 and '81 seem to be among the earliest efforts to try to do this (though I don't have copies of the papers, so can't read them!), and that seems very much worth highlighting to me. My suggestion is that you add a category on "Anthropogenic Climate Signal" detection and include this work (say, 8 or so of the key papers in this area including the two early Nature one's w/ Wigley) as well as some of your later work w/ Santer/Tett/Thorne/Hegerl/Barnett. I realize that most of your work in this area isn't as primary author, but I do think it would be helpful to show this side of your research, and I'd like to incorporate that into my nomination letter (i.e. how critical your efforts have been to developments in areas such as D&A). You could still fit this onto 2 pages by making the font smaller for the references (10pt rather than 11 pt) while keeping the headings at 11 pt, and if necessary you could probably sacrifice a few of the surface temperature record references to make space for the additional references.
Also, if you happen to have pdfs of the two early Wigley papers, or even just the text for the abstracts, it would be great to have a little more detail about those papers so I can appropriately work them into the narrative of my letter.
thanks for any help,
mike
p.s. please tell Keith I was very sorry he was unable to make it here to Trieste, I was really looking forward to seeing him (as were Ed and many others here). I hope all is well w/ his daughter. -- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=[6]"mailto:mann@psu.edu">[7]mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 href=[8]"http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm">[9]http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.h tm
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-- Michael E. Mann Associate Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC)
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