From	Phil Jones	Date	Wed Aug 27 14:31:48 2008
To	Caspar Ammann
CC	Eugene Wahl, Tim Osborn
Subject	Re: New Wengen Draft -- including changes to accommodate new Figure 3
Caspar, Thanks. Phil At 14:16 27/08/2008, Caspar Ammann wrote: Phil, I worked on the figures yesterday and sent them off to Gene for double check. Will be one panel each (6), much improved legibility and significantly reduced "footprint" in the appearance of the text. You should have them before the end of your day. Thanks for all your work on this paper! (Tim too!) Cheers, Caspar On Aug 27, 2008, at 2:42 AM, Phil Jones wrote: Caspar, Gene, We're going to send the manuscript back tomorrow. If we get a revised diagram we'll include - otherwise we won't. Have had a few more comments, but nothing substantial. All yours Gene are in, as are those from Gavin, Mike, Juerg and the coral people. There is a completely revised tropical dendro section and Peck finally came through with a section on less-resolved proxies and varves. All in all it reads very well and the recommendations should prove very useful for PAGES. Cheers Phil At 04:52 26/08/2008, Caspar Ammann wrote: Hey Gene, I'll see how I can adjust the figures to fit. Caspar On Aug 25, 2008, at 8:30 PM, Eugene Wahl wrote: Hi Phil and Tim, and Caspar: Here are my full set of comments on the entirety of section 3, the figures relevant to section 3, the authors' address, and abstract (none there). I made slight changes in the portion of the text already sent last night, sorry that I could not avoid that! Caspar, please note that I've operated here on the assumption that Figure 3 is simplified to one panel for each section, according to the suggestions we have talked about, but does contain all 6 portions, A-F. There are two versions: one with just the relevant portions of the text, and the full amended text document. The changes noted should be identical in each version. Peace, Gene Dr. Eugene R. Wahl Physical Scientist NOAA/NESDIS/NCDC/Paleoclimate Branch 325 Broadway Street Boulder, CO 80305 303-497-6297 [1]http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html [2]P.Jones@uea.ac.uk wrote: Gene, Thanks. Today is a holiday here. We'll all be back in CRU tomorrow. So, we'll begin revising Section 3 then. Have had quite a few comments so far, and all are in. New Figure 3 most appreciated. We must send this off on Thursday or Friday. Hope you're settling in to Boulder life. At least you should be able to contact Caspar more easily! Cheers Phil ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: New Wengen Draft From: [3]Eugene.R.Wahl@noaa.gov Date: Mon, August 25, 2008 2:45 am To: [4]p.jones@uea.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Phil: I've had to wait to the weekend to get to this, due to several other matters that had to be attended to here at NOAA this week and in relation to a report required by a funder that was due Friday. I've looked over about half of section 3 (up to the start of section 3.4.2), and also the abstract and the authors' address section. Attached are my comments on those sections. I will be getting to the rest of section 3 tonight and tomorrow and will send anything else to you. Everything is done in WORD with "Track Changes" turned on. HIGHLIGHTS 1) My address information has been updated to include my NOAA information, which is now appropriate. The original Alfred information is kept, as also appropriate. I've condensed it all to not change the overall page spacing of the address citations. 2) The addition to the results description of the Riedwyl et al. (2008) paper across pp 10-11 here (near the top of p 56 in the text you sent this week). It is NECESSARY to keep this addition, as the text as it was "overemphasized" the differential quality of the RegEM results in this study. Their graphs 4 and 6 clearly show the results I added, in which RegEM for winter adds quite problematic artifacts at the highest levels of noise added. The white-noise SNR at which this happens (0.25), while low, is not outside of what reality might bring. [NB: I have talked with Juerg about this situation, and he is clearly aware of my sense that RegEM is given too high marks in this context.] 3) I added very brief descriptions how the CFRs actually come up with a reconstruction to the descriptions of them in section 3.2. If you feel these three sentences cannot be included I understand, but I think they are useful for the readers to know HOW the covariance information we are talking about there is actually used. TO COME: Caspar and I are working out a much simplified version of Figure 3 (one panel per each section A-F), which I think will be much better than what is there now. We communicated on that Friday and yesterday, and are now close to having a new graphic. I will adapt the references to Figure 3 in section 3.4.2 and in the figure caption in my next message accordingly, which I plan will come either tonight or tomorrow. Peace, and again thanks! Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: From Phil Jones New Wengen Draft Dear All, Here's the revised version of the paper, together with the responses to the reviewers. We have told John Matthews, that we will get this back to him by the beginning of next week. To us in the UK this means Aug 26/27 as next Monday is a national holiday. So, to those not away at the moment, can you look through your parts and get any comments back to us by the end of this week or over the weekend? Can you also look at the references - those in yellow and let me know of any that have come out, or are able to correct those that I think just look wrong? I hope you'll think of this as an improvement. Cheers Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [5]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK > w.doc> Caspar M. Ammann National Center for Atmospheric Research Climate and Global Dynamics Division - Paleoclimatology 1850 Table Mesa Drive Boulder, CO 80307-3000 email: [6]ammann@ucar.edu tel: 303-497-1705 fax: 303-497-1348 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [7]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Caspar M. Ammann National Center for Atmospheric Research Climate and Global Dynamics Division - Paleoclimatology 1850 Table Mesa Drive Boulder, CO 80307-3000 email: [8]ammann@ucar.edu tel: 303-497-1705 fax: 303-497-1348 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- References 1. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/paleo.html 2. mailto:P.Jones@uea.ac.uk 3. mailto:Eugene.R.Wahl@noaa.gov 4. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk 5. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk 6. mailto:ammann@ucar.edu 7. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk 8. mailto:ammann@ucar.edu