From	Phil Jones	Date	Wed Dec 10 10:14:10 2008
To	Ben Santer
Subject	Re: A quick question
Ben, Haven't got a reply from the FOI person here at UEA. So I'm not entirely confident the numbers are correct. One way of checking would be to look on CA, but I'm not doing that. I did get an email from the FOI person here early yesterday to tell me I shouldn't be deleting emails - unless this was 'normal' deleting to keep emails manageable! McIntyre hasn't paid his £10, so nothing looks likely to happen re his Data Protection Act email. Anyway requests have been of three types - observational data, paleo data and who made IPCC changes and why. Keith has got all the latter - and there have been at least 4. We made Susan aware of these - all came from David Holland. According to the FOI Commissioner's Office, IPCC is an international organization, so is above any national FOI. Even if UEA holds anything about IPCC, we are not obliged to pass it on, unless it has anything to do with our core business - and it doesn't! I'm sounding like Sir Humphrey here! McIntyre often gets others to do the requesting, but requests and responses all get posted up on CA regardless of who sends them. On observational data, there have been at least 5 including a couple from McIntyre. Others here came from Eschenbach and also Douglas Keenan. The latter relate to Wei-Chyung Wang, and despite his being exonerated by SUNY, Keenan has not changed his web site since being told the result by SUNY! [1]http://www.informath.org/ The paleo data requests have all been to Keith, and here Tim and Keith reply. The recent couple have come from McIntyre but there have been at least two others from Holland. So since Feb 2007, CRU is in double figures. We never get any thanks for putting things up - only abuse and threats. The latest lot is up in the last 3-4 threads on CA. I got this email over the weekend - see end of this email. This relates to what Tim sent back late last week. There was another one as well - a chatty one saying why didn't I respond to keep these people on CA quiet. I've ignored both. Finally, I know that DEFRA receive Parliamentary Questions from MPs to answer. One of these 2 months ago was from a Tory MP asking how much money DEFRA has given to CRU over the last 5 years. DEFRA replied that they don't give money - they award grants based on open competition. DEFRA's system also told them there were no awards to CRU, as when we do get something it is down as UEA! I've occasionally checked DEFRA responses to FOI requests - all from Holland. Cheers Phil Dear Mr Jones What are you frightened of? Is it that suddenly mugs like me who pay our taxes suddenly realise we are paying your wages. Please respond to Climate Audit's valid queries otherwise I will contact my MP. Please see below. Quote From CA As it happens, I have experience in mining exploration programs and I can assure Phil Jones that, contray to this experience enabling me to "understand why some samples are excluded", it gives me exactly the opposite perspective. It makes it virtually impossible for me to think up valid explanations for "excluding" some samples. It's illegal in the businesses that I know. Anyhow, CRU answered as follows: We have checked our files and no manuals, computer code, documents or correspondence are available. We can confirm, however, that we did not use a different Omoloyla data set and therefore there is no further data to provide. Your behaviour is absoulutely outrageous. Best regards Stuart Harmon At 01:48 09/12/2008, you wrote: Dear Phil, I had a quick question for you: What is the total number of FOIA requests that you've received from Steven McIntyre? With best regards, Ben ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Benjamin D. Santer Program for Climate Model Diagnosis and Intercomparison Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory P.O. Box 808, Mail Stop L-103 Livermore, CA 94550, U.S.A. Tel: (925) 422-3840 FAX: (925) 422-7675 email: santer1@llnl.gov ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- References 1. http://www.informath.org/