From	Michael E. Mann	Date	Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:19:45 -0400
To	Phil Jones
CC	Gavin Schmidt
Subject	Re: Skeptics
Hi Phil, well put, it is a parallel universe. irony is as you note, often the contrarian arguments are such a scientific straw man, that an effort to address them isn't even worthy of the peer-reviewed literature! mike On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Phil Jones wrote: Mike, Just spent 5 minutes looking at Watts up. Couldn't bear it any longer - had to stop!. Is there really such a parallel universe out there? I could understand all of the words some commenters wrote - but not in the context they used them. It is a mixed blessing. I encouraged Tom Peterson to do the analysis with the limited number of USHCN stations. Still hoping they will write it up for a full journal article. Problem might be though - they get a decent reviewer who will say there is nothing new in the paper, and they'd be right! Cheers Phil At 15:53 24/06/2009, Michael Mann wrote: Phil--thanks for the update on this. I think your read on this is absolutely correct. By the way, "Watts up" has mostly put "ClimateAudit" out of business. a mixed blessing I suppose. talk to you later, mike On Jun 24, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Phil Jones wrote: Gavin, Good to see you, if briefly, at NCAR on Friday. The day went well, as did the dinner in the evening. It must be my week on Climate Audit! Been looking a bit and Mc said he has no interest in developing an alternative global T series. He'd also said earlier it would be easy to do. I'm 100% confident he knows how robust the land component is. I also came across this on another thread. He obviously likes doing these sorts of things, as opposed to real science. They are going to have a real go at procedures when it comes to the AR5. They have lost on the science, now they are going for the process. Cheers Phil Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [1]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael E. Mann Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: [2]mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 website: [3]http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html "Dire Predictions" book site: [4]http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email [5]p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael E. Mann Professor Director, Earth System Science Center (ESSC) Department of Meteorology Phone: (814) 863-4075 503 Walker Building FAX: (814) 865-3663 The Pennsylvania State University email: [6]mann@psu.edu University Park, PA 16802-5013 website: [7]http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html "Dire Predictions" book site: [8]http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html References Visible links 1. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk 2. mailto:mann@psu.edu 3. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html 4. http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html 5. mailto:p.jones@uea.ac.uk 6. mailto:mann@psu.edu 7. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~mann/Mann/index.html 8. http://www.essc.psu.edu/essc_web/news/DirePredictions/index.html Hidden links: 9. http://www.met.psu.edu/dept/faculty/mann.htm