From	Phil Jones	Date	Fri Oct 2 17:06:06 2009
To	Malcolm K. Hughes
Subject	Re: [Fwd: IN STRICTEST CONFIDENCE]
Malcolm, Keith should be reading emails. Probably been a misunderstanding. I've only glanced at the nonsense but didn't see anything related to Indigirka. I see they are now getting at the Taimyr site, so Keith/Tom having to look at that one too. They have some extra data from Vlad which CA won't have, so whatever they say there will get more emails about keeping hold of more data. All the issues seem to relate to canopy closed sites like Fritz would have likely sampled and more open sites. They are trying to contact the Russians to get site pictures or anything else. Keith is on +44 1953 851013 if you fancy calling at the weekend. They get at us for keeping hold of data, but they have no intention of publishing in the peer-review literature! Cheers Phil At 16:56 02/10/2009, you wrote: Phil - just in case Keith is not opening email and Tom is helping him out by taking initiative, here's an email I just sent Keith. Unfortunately, I really had to respond to this. I hope all is going well for you. Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm K Hughes Regents' Professor Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research The University of Arizona 105 W Stadium Tucson, AZ 85721 USA tel: +1-520-621-6470 fax: +1-520-621-8229 mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu [1]http://www.ltrr.arizona.edu/people/8 Message-ID: <4AC6212D.7070401@ltrr.arizona.edu> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 08:50:05 -0700 From: Malcolm Hughes User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Briffa Subject: IN STRICTEST CONFIDENCE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090305040400060007010009" Dear Keith - I do hope your recovery continues apace, in spite of the recent nonsense. I really have had no intention to bother you with work stuff, and had strongly encouraged Mike and Gavin to contact Tim and/or Tom putting a response on RlCl. So, I'm really reticent to raise something else, but must. What's going on? 21st September I got an email from Tom M that contained the following para, among other more general discussion: "Keith has been complained at by Climate Audit for cherry picking and not using your long Indigirka River data set. Not used because we did not have the data. Please, could we have the data? We will make proper aknowledgement/coauthorship if we use the data." I replied pretty much straight away thus: "Hi Tom - please find the Esper article in question attached. The so-called Indigirka River data set is not yet available because it has not been published. I am currently working on that with Russian colleagues, and was indeed in Switzerland the week before last to work with one of them on specifically this. All being well, there will be an accepted manuscript before next summer, and at that point I will make the data freely available. Once we get to that point, I'll let you know, of course. Cheers, Malcolm" . So far, no direct response to this email from Tom. This morning I get an email from Anders Moberg, telling me that you had asked him for the "Indigirka data". I've waited a couple of hours before writing this email so as to try to be constructive. To be sure that you understand what that dataset is and is not, please read the attached 2006 Moberg corrigendum. Once again, the actual data are unpublished, in spite of having been discussed in the Russian literature by Siderova et al. A large proportion of the raw data are not yet in the public domain, and so you would not be able to critically evaluate the chronology as a possible climate proxy. Why can that not be said - adequate metadata not available, please see Moberg corrigendum? By the way, a 600-year reconstruction is available (Hughes et al 1999, also attached), and all those raw data are at the ITRDB. As you know, it is my intention to friendly, cooperative and open, but I'm determined to get some scientific value from all the years of work I've invested in the Yakutia work, and in cooperation with Russia in general. Releasing these data now would be too much. Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm K Hughes Regents' Professor Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research The University of Arizona 105 W Stadium Tucson, AZ 85721 USA tel: +1-520-621-6470 fax: +1-520-621-8229 mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu [2]http://www.ltrr.arizona.edu/people/8 Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090 School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784 University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk NR4 7TJ UK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- References 1. http://www.ltrr.arizona.edu/people/8 2. http://www.ltrr.arizona.edu/people/8